The following is a point-by-point response to The Friar’s comments (which are italicized) on the views I expressed on the Illumined Heart podcast. I regret to say that, after having read his essay, I have come to the conclusion that he is either utterly ignorant of my real views, or is deliberately misrepresenting them.
…his progressive sympathies are even more serious in terms of its fostering tyrannical regimes (because, for one, it inherently relies on the vision of the One executive)…
Ah, the tyranny argument so beloved by conservatives. Honestly, who can say with a straight face that social democratic countries are tyrannical? I sincerely believe that you can be a conservative and still not subscribe to this nonsense. This sort of argumentation reminds me of tactics that atheists often use in discrediting Christianity. For example, many unbelievers love to draw our attention to self-professing Christians who publicly declare God’s supposed hatred for homosexuals in order to prove that the Christian faith is full of hate and bigotry. Similarly, in their efforts to legitimate laissez-faire capitalism, many conservatives have sought to obfuscate the differences between Soviet-style communism and other forms of socialism. I must admit that they have been remarkably successful.
…his empirical research falls flat. He clouds over the real economic harm to property and to freedom that Unions have historically provided--the auto industry is just one of these oversights, as Powerline and other numerous websites have cataloged.
My job is to uncover general patterns in the empirical world. The key term, here, is general, which implies the existence of exceptions (e.g., survey evidence shows that most British citizens are quite satisfied with their publicly-funded national health care system, though you are certain to find a few who aren’t). Let’s suppose, for the sake of argument, that unions were, indeed, responsible for the collapse of the auto industry. Should we then dismiss other evidence that suggest that unions are, generally, a boon to our economy? With all due respect to Powerline’s contributors, I believe the answer is no.
Dr. Azarvan repeats the canard that unions are being restricted and that people should have freedom to to pursue happiness and form unions without restriction. But, there are two problems with this, one Fr John Whiteford points out:
…his progressive sympathies are even more serious in terms of its fostering tyrannical regimes (because, for one, it inherently relies on the vision of the One executive)…
Ah, the tyranny argument so beloved by conservatives. Honestly, who can say with a straight face that social democratic countries are tyrannical? I sincerely believe that you can be a conservative and still not subscribe to this nonsense. This sort of argumentation reminds me of tactics that atheists often use in discrediting Christianity. For example, many unbelievers love to draw our attention to self-professing Christians who publicly declare God’s supposed hatred for homosexuals in order to prove that the Christian faith is full of hate and bigotry. Similarly, in their efforts to legitimate laissez-faire capitalism, many conservatives have sought to obfuscate the differences between Soviet-style communism and other forms of socialism. I must admit that they have been remarkably successful.
…his empirical research falls flat. He clouds over the real economic harm to property and to freedom that Unions have historically provided--the auto industry is just one of these oversights, as Powerline and other numerous websites have cataloged.
My job is to uncover general patterns in the empirical world. The key term, here, is general, which implies the existence of exceptions (e.g., survey evidence shows that most British citizens are quite satisfied with their publicly-funded national health care system, though you are certain to find a few who aren’t). Let’s suppose, for the sake of argument, that unions were, indeed, responsible for the collapse of the auto industry. Should we then dismiss other evidence that suggest that unions are, generally, a boon to our economy? With all due respect to Powerline’s contributors, I believe the answer is no.
Dr. Azarvan repeats the canard that unions are being restricted and that people should have freedom to to pursue happiness and form unions without restriction. But, there are two problems with this, one Fr John Whiteford points out:
1. Unions force all workers into service, except for right to work states which celebrate freedom. Dr. Azarvan has no response to this.
2. The government enforces unions and backs them. This is not freedom but imposed regulation for the favored few union workers and executives at the expense of the many.
Let’s begin with #1. I do have a response to the silly claim that unions force workers to join; I simply wasn’t given a chance to offer it. In saying this, I mean no disrespect to Kevin Allen – that simply wasn’t the format of the discussion. The reality is that federal law already protects a worker’s right not to join a trade union. If it is poorly-enforced at times, that is certainly a shame. The solution, however, is not to throw the baby out with the bath water. As an aside, the “freedom” celebrated in right-to-work states is, among other things, the freedom to pay workers less and to subject them to lower safety and health standards.
As for # 2, let’s apply this logic to the subject of private property rights: the government enforces private property rights and backs them. This is not freedom but imposed regulation for the rich few at the expense of the many (Sounds socialistic to me!).
Dr. Azarvan blames materialism for all things--pollution, divorce, etc.
A note to all readers: whenever a critic employs terms like all or completely in reference to another’s views, a straw man argument is likely being used.
…he never takes on the issue of how the market can be used for a Good end--or as another Fr says, a Christian end.
I was asked to address the downsides of a market economy. Moreover, the fact that I sympathize with social democracy implies that I do not see the market as thoroughly evil. Again, this point will be lost on those who see all socialisms as indistinguishable from one another.
His argument is full of non-sequiturs. One example: it does not follow that the market is completely about self-interest, and that this self-interest is Randian.
Another unfortunate misrepresentation. To say that the market encourages self-interested behavior is not to say that it is completely about self-interest. Further, I have never depicted all conservatives as “Randian” in their outlook.
Furthermore, if he really believes that Rand's Nietzschean Will Capitalism equals Smith's understanding of the market, he errs greatly.
Very true. It must be pointed out, however, that I never expressed such a belief.
His view is a practical one not a philosophical one. His understanding is one where science trumps political thought.
Let’s place our discussion in its proper context. I was invited to speak on the Illumined Heart in part because I brought to Kevin Allen’s attention certain inaccuracies in Chris Banescu’s treatment of “democratic-socialist” countries. To briefly summarize, Banescu claims that more capitalistic countries enjoy higher living standards. Now, the question that any honest person should ask himself (regardless of his ideological predispositions) is this: how do I test this empirical claim? Should one rely on the observations of a few people (even if they support his pre-conceived ideas)? Or, should one give greater weight to the findings of scientific studies? Without placing a Dawkins-esque faith in science, I personally opt for the latter. Particularly when these studies are controlled and involve larger samples, I see no better, earthly means to evaluate claims about the empirical world. From this epistemological position, therefore, I can but flatly disagree with Banescu, given the evidence that I cited.
Furthermore, one can go too far in divorcing the philosophical from the practical. Most, if not all philosophies involve assumptions about the empirical world. If we discover that some of these assumptions are invalid, is there any virtue in adhering to this philosophy (at least without modifying it)? If your “philosophy” rests on empirically false claims, then you are following an inferior philosophy.
The more serious problems with his thought is that it violates the golden rule for he wants the government to take from those who have talent and give to those who do not, even if they have no desire to develop their talents.
I have already addressed such elitist arguments in my blog, as well as on the Illumined Heart. All I wish to add, here, is that this statement truly reflects the seemingly willful ignorance many conservatives have of those to whom wealth is redistributed. That they are regarded so contemptuously as talentless, or unwilling to develop their talents, is nothing short of tragic.
An aside: There is no command in the Bible for the State to care for the poor. That charge goes to the Church and individuals.
I agree. Yet once again, I have expressed nothing to the contrary. Moreover, as far as the state is concerned, we should remember that the Bible was written well before the modern era, and is thus no more a manual on economic justice than it is a scientific textbook. I defend my views on economic justice not on specific passages related to charity (including the parable of Lazarus and the rich man), but on teachings that have much broader applications. For instance, in regards to Christ’s injunction to do unto others what we would have them do unto us, I encourage everyone to imagine being amongst the working poor in this country. And I wager that many, after having performed this mental exercise, would desire an economic system that is fairer than what we currently have.